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There still seems to be a bug in administrating/organising fonts and font families. While other applications display a font family properly and make all assigned typefaces of the family available in a proper drop down menu, publisher struggles in finding a family and belonging fontfaces. In the example you can see how InDesign (and many other applications) displays the Adobe 'HelveticaNeueStd' Family with all typefaces in a proper menu. An than have a look at the mess Affinity Publisher produces from the same family - this is very hard to work with. Nearly every (not all) typeface seems to be a seperate font family.
A nightmare.Cheers, Timo. Affinity apps seem to use Windows font cache (???) while Adobe apps use their own, as might your font manager.
Or, the problem may be related to use of autoactivation of fonts in your font manager (not working properly with Affinity apps). If the problem is generic (not just restriced to Helvetica Neue and some other single font familiies), I'd try clearing the Windows font cache, and otherwise just uninstaliing and reinstalling all fonts included in the font families that are causing problems.Duplicate font family names (e.g., having Type 1 and TrueType/OpenType versions with the same family name installed on the system) might also break fonts in separate groups. Thanks Lagarto for some hints.
I tested a bit and the situation is even more ridiculous. I uninstalled all Helvetica Fonts and re-installed only the HelveticaNeue STD LT family that comes with 51 typefaces. After installing them Publisher showed them in the right way as expected. I could also work with them in the tree structure.After restarting Publisher, only 2 Helvetica typefaces (seems random) were shown any more (out of 51) and displayed seperately in the font list.
Each restart shows different Typefaces (sometimes just 1, sometimes 2) of the family in the list. The fonts in the document were substituted and the font famlily wich I place in 'favourites' is not shown there any more.
This is seriously screwed.Seems like before starting Publisher I have to re.install all my fonts again and hope the Publisher won't crash so I don't loose any fonts after restart.BTW: This is a problem in Release and Beta version!Edited August 16 by DarkClown. The main problem is you have installed a bunch of broken 'free' fonts.Many of them are very old poorly done conversions which do not have proper name fields.Helvetica Black Hollow is an old Postscript Type 1 which was converted to TrueType long ago (badly).All the ones with the dashes (e.g. I'm aware that there are some crappy fonts in the collection.
I deinstalled all of the 'unprofessional' stuff before I made my last comment. So only the Adope 'Helvetica Neue STD LT' font family was active. (with all 51 typefaces). Same problem. I also deinstalled the fontmanager - no change. After cleaning the windows fontcache it worked once again properly - but after a restart of Publisher I had the same problem again.Would remain the question how to clean the Publisher font cache?
(Can't think of anything else)On the other hand I would expect Publisher to handle a fontmanager properly - and even to deal with badly named fonts. Assuming that Adobe has a proper naming system at least this font should display properly and not be affected by other naming problems. Currently I only get to see one or two random typefaces from a proper fontfamily of 51 typefaces - and my document is screwed without me knowing how to restore it properly!.Assuming that Adobe has a proper naming system.Just a note. Unlike every other application I am aware of, Adobe does not use the system's font subsystem to handle anything concerning fonts. It uses its own font subsystem.
That means, in this case, Adobe is using its own ability of organizing fonts. It generally does a superior job, but it too can mess things up where applications that do not have this ability do not (rare, but it can happen).You can reset Affinity's font cache via (I think) holding down a key sequence (or just the ctrl key, I forget) while the application is starting. There will be a screen with options that appears. Choose the appropriate option and deselect the others if any are checked by default.That said, it may or may not solve your issue. For my current document I only want to use the Adobe 'Helvetica Neue LTStd' including their 51 Typeface. I uninstalled everything else related to Helvetica.Will check the font folder. But seeing that font names are quite often cryptic it's hard to say if every critical font surely was removed.And again: Why can most programs handle fonts properly and more or less comfortable (at least they were shown and work!) but Publisher???
Seeing the 'intense participation' of mods with regards to this topics it doesn't seems to bother anyone at Affinity/Serif. I guess font problems are of minor interest in a DTP software. I'm aware not everything works smoothly with LO. But I have far less struggles with fonts in LO than in Publisher.
Grouping of Typefaces works differently but even though things are structured differently they at least still work - unless in Publisher!I'm not an expert in font technology. More the 'user' kind. What makes it hard to know the reason why things don't work properly. But I would expect Publisher to even work with a semi-well designed font - as others do as well. I do use low cost or freeware fonts occasionally for economic reasons. But when customers provide me with their highly paid fonts for a business project I do expect them to work on my system. Considering I de-installed all font managers.
Cleared my windows font cache and tried to get rid of my freeware crap and cheap stuff. (ashes on me). I would need some support on how to get the professional stuff running (not from you guys - I'm really thankful how much effort you spend into helping me to find a solution). But for Affinity this should be a 'red alert problem'.
A DTP system that cant handle font-families issues. Seems like McDonalds not even being capable of barbecuing burgers (but they still have fancy sauces).I don't expect Adobe fonts not to meet proper requirements in terms of naming. So despite other problematic fonts that should work out fine. I'll check again for the font names in the windows folder. But it feels like doctoring on the symptoms.Thanks again for your insights and your help. I'll keep you posted if cleaning up the windows font folder is of any further use.
And if the problem is caused by other fonts it will be of no help if you provide me with a surely working Helv 51 set - I would expect that this was delivered by Adobe anyhow already. Despite that - It wouldn't be in the financial scope of the customer. But thanks for offering. I'll keep your expertise in mind if I come across font problems in the future.By the looks of it I'll have to get back to InDesign - Just because it's for the customers project.
Never wanted to and I hate the thought. But I just need to continue working on what gets me the money. Don't want to think about the time I wasted on Affinity Publisher without being able to solve basic topics.Thx, Timo. InDesign is just a lot better at figuring-out bad fonts.Another user here in the forum sent me three fonts that APub had a problem displaying and ID worked fine.The fonts were the same 'family' in name, but inside the name fields were a mess.There was no consistent Typographic family name.There was no consistent Style group name.It was just this jumble of stuff, some of which was just flat wrong.I was kind of amazed that ID figured it out.They obviously were not just using the name fields; they had to be parsing the name text, filenames, etc.
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I'm not sure what makes a font that bad, that AP completely screws up it's font system. Even if a field in the font description is not filled in properly or completely that should be no reason for AP not to be able to display proper fonts any more. Can't be that hard - others can to it as well.
And seriously I would expect developers of a a DTP system TO SPEND AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF FOCUS on implementing proper font technology. But anyway - seems like this topic is of absolutely no interest for the Affinity guys.I checked my System fonts folder again - starting with 'H' there currently is only the Adobe font folio Helvetica in there - nothing unknown any more. So I guess another font screws things up (if it's a font in the font folder at all - nowbody knows - maybe it's just a screwed up code within the publisher). And I can't check more than 100 fonts internally for something I don't even know what to look for. In fact currently still 1 or 2 Helvetica fontfamily typefaces are offered by AP - ungrouped on the top level and they do vary as well each time I restart AP.TransType is a nice tool. But you need to know what kind of errors you are looking for.
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Hard to find a workaround for bananaware unless you have a good Idea what they screwed up. Thanks for the suggestion, but no! Aside the fact that it will be of no use anyhow - at least it's a way to express how (now be kind, Timo) 'upset' I am. And my claims are many things - but not unsubstantial! I appreciate your political correctness - something, I'd like to call 'luxury' one can afford and flirt with when one is not depending on functioning SW for customer projects. AP is not supposed to be 'alpha' any more. And in this case we are not looking at a specialised, hardly ever used feature - but basic functionality.
And no, it's not Affinities fault that there are badly designed font (I never said that) - but it's in their responsibility to deal with the fact that there are badly designed fonts around and not let these wreck the whole AP bio-system. Just don't access corrupted fonts or exclude then in other ways. But by the looks of it Affinity lets 'something' (and no one really knows if the behaviour has got anything to do with bad fonts - that's only been some vague assumption since no one from Affinity comments on the problem) screw up the whole font system. At least on my system. And is forcing me back to InDesign.
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